Markup Minutes 2006-08-10
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Minutes from Declarative Markup committee teleconference August 10, 2006
Attendees
- Phil Berkland <berkland@us.ibm.com>
- Jon Ferraiolo <jferrai@us.ibm.com>
- Alex Russell <alex@dojotoolkit.org>
- David Temkin <temkin@laszlosystems.com>
- Lindsey Simon <lsimon@finetooth.com>
- James Margaris <jmargaris@nexaweb.com>
- Ted Thibodeau <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>
- Eddie O\'Neil <ekoneil@bea.com>
- Gustavo Munoz <gustavom@jackbe.com>
Absent
- Vivienne van der Vooren <vvandervooren@seagullsoftware.com>
- Anil Sharma <anil@vertexlogic.com>
- Dave Johnson <djohnson@ebusiness-apps.com>
- Coach Wei <coach@nexaweb.com>
- Adam Peller <apeller@us.ibm.com>
- Alejandro Escalante Medina <alejandroe@jackbe.com>
- Brodi Beartusk <bbeartus@bea.com>
- Charles Lowell <cowboyd@thefrontside.net>
- Chris Jolley <jolleyc@bea.com>
- Chuck Ames <CAmes@seagullsoftware.com>
- David Frankel <david.frankel@sap.com>
- Eric Nguyen <ericn@mercedsystems.com>
- Erik van Dongen <evandongen@seagullsoftware.com>
- Javier Gallego <Javier.Gallego@softwareag.com>
- Jeremy Chone <jchone@adobe.com>
- Jim Grandy <jgrandy@openlaszlo.org>
- John Crupi <john.crupi@jackbe.com>
- Joonas Lehtinen <joonas.lehtinen@itmill.com>
- Jorge Taylor <jotaylor@adobe.com>
- Ken Fyten <ken.fyten@icesoft.com>
- Kin Blas <jblas@adobe.com>
- Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Marc Englund <marc.englund@itmill.com>
- Mark Schiefelbein <mark@backbase.com>
- Michael Peachey <mpeachey@tibco.com>
- Ruben Daniels <ruben@javeline.nl>
- Sami Ekblad <sami.ekblad@itmill.com>
- Steven Pothoven <pothoven@us.ibm.com>
- Vincent Hardy <vincent.hardy@sun.com>
- William Shulman <will@mercedsystems.com>
Agenda
- (NEW ITEM) Next face-to-face - Are people available October 5-6 (Thursday/Friday, right after AJAXWorld conference) for next face-to-face meeting, presumably in Silicon Valley?
- OpenAjax Hub - Just an FYI. This document was discussed at the Interoperability meeting. It includes a bullet on the Markup Scanner.
- Markup Mixing Nexaweb IBM 20060726 - Another FYI. This document has been updated in a best effort to reflect committee discussion.
- Open Source Development Requirements - Process for developing our open source JavaScript.
- Markup Scanner - The majority of the time will be spent on this topic (hopefully). James has said that he will have an updated version for review.
Minutes
availability for face-to-face on Oct 5/6
Jon: discuss having face to face meeting October 5/6 after AjaxWorld.
(Jon, David, Eddie, Alex, and Gustavo indicate that those dates should be fine. Ted has a personal conflict that weekend. James can't project at this point. Lindsey arrived after this discussion.)
Announcement about two documents, including new OpenAjax Hub document
Jon announces two new documents:
- OpenAjax Hub - Just an FYI. This document was discussed at the Interoperability meeting. It includes a bullet on the Markup Scanner.
- Markup Mixing Nexaweb IBM 20060726 - Another FYI. This document has been updated in a best effort to reflect committee discussion.
No subsequent discussion.
open source process discussion
Alex: is needed to track code changes and do bug tracking
Eddie: all opensource means is developing in code in the open, like apache, but we should be comfortable with the way the community operates, when some companies go to Apache they don't always know what they are signing up for
Alex: I had assumed not w/ outside group. Done inside.
Eddie: Fine with me.
Jon: how hard is it to set up ourselves?
Eddie: need source repository, bug tracking, reason so many go to sourceforge is already up and running, it doesn't come encumbered with process
Jon: need to have people capable of setting it up if we do it ourselves
Ted: We can keep home page on openajax.org, and use sourceforge as much as we need or choose to
??: doesn't imply a process like Apache
... more discussion ...
Jon: I am hearing the following: we are better off using existing than doing internally, the opensource system that we use needs to match our objectives, needs to satisfy our requirements, not add any requirements on us that we don't want to have. Any other alternatives to Apache and SourceForge?
Alex & Ted: many others, codehouse, google, etc doent matter as long as goal is to get bug tracking and source control
Jon: Yes, but I assume that Apache and SourceForge are the frontrunners.
??: SourceForge doesn't have particular requirements and allows flexibility in how permissions and rights are set up
markup scanner discussion
James introduces changes that he made
Jon: Sounds like you did what we agreed to at our last call.
Jon: does scan go top to bottom of document?
James: yes, see 2nd example, look for oatype , hand off to registered handler, if they are interested they return object, and then called,
James: this is so parsing for colon is not done twice, return arbitrary object which is in turn passed back to you
Jon: need to get going with opensource quickly, need to integrated with interop code
Jon: will prepare opensource discussion for next week's interop meeting
Ted: should change 'oatype' to 'openAjaxType'
Jon: we should make that change
