Steering Committee Minutes 2006-11-02

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(these minutes have not yet been approved by the Steering Committee. approval will happen via email voting)

(all resolutions below are listed as "Tentative Resolutions" until electronic voting happens to count votes of members who were unable to attend the call)

Contents

OpenAjax Alliance Steering Committee meeting minutes 2006-11-02

Attendees

Present

  • ECLIPSE/Mike Milinkovich
  • IBM/David Boloker
  • NEXAWEB/Coach Wei
  • TIBCO/Kevin Hakman
  • Jon Ferraiolo <jferrai@us.ibm.com>

Absent

  • DOJO/Alex Russell
  • ZIMBRA/Scott Dietzen
  • ZEND/Michael Pinette

Agenda

  • Thursday 2 November, 10amPST, 1pmEST, 7pmParis
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  • Agenda for Nov 2
    • Status report (on the agenda for every SC meeting)
      • New member activity. Members Agreements received from:
        • The Frontside - www.thefrontside.net (one of first 53 companies - object-oriented approach to server-side Ajax)
        • Lightstream - lightstreamer.com (Company centered on push to HTML via Comet, without using Java or Flash or other plugins)
        • Visual WebGui Platform - visualwebgui.com (Winforms over Web via Ajax. Develop to Winforms in VisualStudio, deploy via Web to any browser via Ajax without plugins)
        • NetScript Technologies - www.netscript.com (JavaScript components and "browser middleware" - first product is a "Logger" component for providing a JavaScript logging pane useful for debugging)
        • Global Computer Enterprises - http://www.gce2000.com (Systems integrator and Web developer in Reston VA)
      • Marketing committee
      • Interoperability committee
      • Task force status (IDE, Server, Communications Hub, Security)
      • sysadmin (this week: wiki, Mailman, wordpress)
    • Backbase will wait until Development Process and Interop charter are approved before signing MA
    • Updated Web site
      • http://www.openajax.org/member/website-staging/index.html
      • Only companies that have signed Members Agreement appear on home page
      • Wiki is now read-only to public
      • Updated text reflects Members Agreement, merger of Interop/Markup committees, new Task Forces, etc.
      • Minor modifications to implement recommendations from IBM accessibility experts
    • OpenAjax Blog
      • Jon has been researching wordpress, probably could install it this week
      • Proposal: Launch this week
      • Proposal: Two initial blog entries
      • Proposal: only minor skinning work (e.g., use our logo somewhere)
      • Proposal: Steering Committee designates who is authorized to post
        • Initially, SC and Jon
        • Others who want to post can send email request
    • Terms of use, logo/trademark usage
      • Looking for high-level feedback this week. Detailed proposals are forthcoming.
      • Proposal: Use Eclipse Foundation web pages as models
    • Mobile Ajax
      • Alex's progress and discoveries
      • Phone call with W3C Mobile Web Initiative, suggestion of OpenAjax survey on Mobile Ajax
      • Nokia's demo at Ajax Experience, recent discussions with Nokia
    • (NEW - ADDED JUST BEFORE MEETING) Helmi wants a quote from me: "The momentum and benefits of the OpenAjax collaboration are important factors in advancing the adoption of AJAX technology across the industry," said Jon Ferraiolo, acting director of OpenAjax Alliance. "AJAX is a major phenomenon in the computer industry and will be the foundation of the next generation of the Web. Our mission is to accelerate customer success with AJAX by increasing awareness through our technical and marketing activities."
    • Other topics TBD (most likely David has a topic or two to add)

Minutes

Status report (on the agenda for every SC meeting)

  • New member activity. Members Agreements received from:
    • The Frontside - www.thefrontside.net (one of first 53 companies - object-oriented approach to server-side Ajax)
    • Lightstream - lightstreamer.com (Company centered on push to HTML via Comet, without using Java or Flash or other plugins)
    • Visual WebGui Platform - visualwebgui.com (Winforms over Web via Ajax. Develop to Winforms in VisualStudio, deploy via Web to any browser via Ajax without plugins)
    • NetScript Technologies - www.netscript.com (JavaScript components and "browser middleware" - first product is a "Logger" component for providing a JavaScript logging pane useful for debugging)
    • Global Computer Enterprises - http://www.gce2000.com (Systems integrator and Web developer in Reston VA)

(At this point, JF, KY and CW are on the call)

JF: We don't have a quorum for votes. How about we conduct the meeting and record votes of people who attend, and then get remaining votes via email?

CW/KH: OK

JF: First four companies are clearly doing things related to Ajax and I recommend accepting them without question. Frontside was one of original 53.

JF: 5th company, Global Computer Enterprises, does systems integration and web development work, presumable for government customers, web site uses Flash and not HTML, and I saw no mention of Flash or Ajax on their Web site. Most likely they are legitimate since they want to join Interop committee, but no clear evidence.

KH: Without clear and obvious relationship to Ajax, question is whether we want members even if not active or only find members who will be active. Could end up with every consulting company joining. But this seems like a good thing. Asserts that OpenAjax Alliance is valuable. Gets the mark out there. The more the merrier.

CW: Yes, makes sense. But also makes sense to ask them what Ajax means to them.

JF: We could establish a policy of asking for more info if we see insufficient evidence of Ajax usage from the materials.

CW: Agree with Kevin but don't want 5000 members where many don't have relationship to Ajax. There needs to be at least some interest in Ajax.

(MM joins at this point. Above conversation is summarized to Mike)

JF: How about accepting the first four (Frontside, Ligthstreamer, Visual WebGui, NetScript) right now and then ask for more info from GCE?

CW: +1

KH: +1

MM: +1

RESOLUTION (tentative): Accept Frontside, Ligthstreamer, Visual WebGui, NetScript, ask for more info from GCE

MM: If we reject anyone, we need to write down the reason.

JF: Yes. Note that Members Agreement says we should accept people who have legitimate reason to join.

MM: (reads from MA) "...demonstrated intent and commitment to Purpose..."

KH: Maybe ask companies to write a statement about this

JF: Not needed to require this yet. Most of the time it is obvious.

  • Marketing committee
  • Interoperability committee
  • Task force status (IDE, Server, Communications Hub, Security)
  • sysadmin (this week: wiki, Mailman, wordpress)

JF: We will talk about web site and blogging later. Other big thing from Mktg committee is that white papers are in play, driven by desire to have a white paper to focus on marketing issues.

JF: Interop committee mainly focused on open source setup issues. Not much progress on open source project yet. I will do work on that myself in the next week.

JF: Task forces are just getting started. CommHub is furthest along. Coach is chairing. Had discussion. Proposal from Greg Wilkins that people feel is a good starting point. Held kick-off phone call. Pushing on this because we might want to add CommHub as a 5th feature in OpenAjax Hub and include it within charter for Interop WG.

JF: Server TF just yesterday started having email discussions.

MM: Who is chairing IDE TF?

KH: Me. Eclipse person will be joining.

JF: I think it is Phil Berkland, from ATF team and IBM. Anyone else from Eclipse?

(no one knows)

MM: When announcement emails go out, I will look to see if someone else from Eclipse might join.

(DB joins)

JF: Mailman seems to be working with one of our lists. I need to make sure things are OK and then get other lists set up by our ISP.

Backbase will wait until Development Process and Interop charter are approved before signing MA

MM: What about other companies?

JF: I assume you mean the 4 companies that SC talked to on phone. Adobe says they are OK and had already signed MA. BEA says they are OK and MA is in the mail. Backbase wants to wait. I sent email to Google this week, but no response.

Updated Web site

  • http://www.openajax.org/member/website-staging/index.html
  • Only companies that have signed Members Agreement appear on home page
  • Wiki is now read-only to public
  • Updated text reflects Members Agreement, merger of Interop/Markup committees, new Task Forces, etc.
  • Minor modifications to implement recommendations from IBM accessibility experts

JF: Discussed and approved by mktg committee. Just waiting for SC approval before updating the site.

CW: +1

KH: +1

MM: +1

DB: +1

RESOLUTION (tentative): Update web site from staging area

OpenAjax Blog

  • Jon has been researching wordpress, probably could install it this week
  • Proposal: Launch this week
  • Proposal: Two initial blog entries
  • Proposal: only minor skinning work (e.g., use our logo somewhere)
  • Proposal: Steering Committee designates who is authorized to post
    • Initially, SC and Jon
    • Others who want to post can send email request

JF: Discussed and approved by mktg committee. Just waiting for SC approval before getting it started. One motivation for moving quickly is that it is almost a month since our f2f meeting and no coverage in press. We need to show that we are doing things.

MM: Are our minutes posted?

JF: Yes, but very long.

MM: SC approves bloggers seems HW.

CW: Jon projects that there won't be very much activity. Posts only once in awhile.

MM: SC approve bloggers or approve posts?

JF: Bloggers. Main reason for requiring approval process on new bloggers is to remind them about rules and procedures for blogging. They might have forgotten or never seen the guidelines.

JF: I am moderator, so I will see all blogs and all comments before they go on blog site.

JF: Mktg committee wanted some sort of disclaimer - these are opinions of the individuals. I agree and think we should have something like this.

MM: That's fine.

JF: Do people approve of these blogging proposals?

CW: +1

KH: +1

MM: +1

DB: +1

RESOLUTION (tentative): Install blogging software and first two posts per proposals and discussion as soon as sysadmin can happen

Terms of use, logo/trademark usage

  • Looking for high-level feedback this week. Detailed proposals are forthcoming.
  • Proposal: Use Eclipse Foundation web pages as models

(everyone agreed with this approach. Jon to work with IBM lawyer to propose detailed contents for two new web pages on terms of use and logo/trademark usage, for next meeting)

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