Steering Committee Minutes 2007-06-14

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(These minutes have been approved by Steering Committee vote.)

Contents

OpenAjax Alliance Steering Committee meeting minutes 2007-05-03

Attendees

  • IBM/David Boloker
  • NEXAWEB/Coach Wei
  • ZEND/Michael Pinette
  • TIBCO/Kevin Hakman
  • ZIMBRA/Scott Dietzen
  • Jon Ferraiolo

Original Agenda

  • Agenda
    • Upcoming Ajax conferences
    • Jon will be Technical Chair of AJAXWorld conference
      • Any suggestions about how to
        • Optimize success of conference
        • Communicate about OpenAjax activities
        • Help promote OpenAjax members
        • Avoid showing favoritism to AJAXWorld and sys-con (i.e., we love everyone!)
    • OpenAjax Hub 1.0
      • Current status
        • No open issues at this time
        • Interoperability WG seems to think it is ready to finalize/approve/ship
        • Spec documents all features but needs a good amount of editorial work and review.
        • Open source implements (almost) all features.
      • Proposed revised content for Web site page on OpenAjax Hub
      • What kinds of demos can be create?
        • Developed within OpenAjax Alliance? (e.g., Product Selector)
        • Developed by members (presumably, showcasing their products)
    • Other promotional activities - what else should we be doing?
      • We haven't talked about this in a few months
    • "Members in good standing"
      • For Working Groups, two reasons to establish rules about "members in good standing"
        • To determine who is allowed to vote when WG makes formal decisions, such as approving specs
        • To put pressure on WG members to participate in meetings
      • Proposal: adopt then tweak W3C rules
      • Approval process: proposal sent to members for vote, then to Steering Committee for approval
    • Should OpenAjax Alliance publish material about Mobile Ajax
    • Status reports on activities (Marketing WG, Interop WG, IDE TF, Comm Hub TF, Security TF, Mobile TF, Performance TF)

Minutes

Topic: AJAXWorld and other upcoming conferences, Member Participation, Members in Good Standing

Jon: What should we do about upcoming Ajax conferences. I'm not sure what roles I will be playing as Tech Chair of AJAXWorld, but if I get to make suggestions, maybe we could have an OpenAjax track on one of the days.

David: Yes. One session on the Hub. Maybe another on Hub and Registry. One on security. One on IDE. Etc. Can easily fill a day.

David: Side topic about low participation in some meetings. How to attack this problem and re-egnage others. We have some post-sitters who wait and see what happens. Security for example. Tomorrow's call we have confirmation from 4 IBMers and 3 non-IBMers. Jon, do you remember?

Jon: MS, TIBCO and SAP.

Kevin: A lot of attention right now is around the Hub. Once done, then a lot of people will jump on it.

David: Are you saying we have to prove ourselves to companies first?

Kevin: We make it easy to join without requiring strong engagement in our activities. People perceive there is not much they can do. There is work we can do to increase visibility. Need to continue to remain relevant while getting the Hub out and get people to use it. By September, should be in good beta state, if not further. Maybe we need another InteropFest?

Jon: Yes, we can do something like that, and I was assuming we would do something like that. Just haven't figured out what exactly yet.

Coach: If you have an OpenAjax track, valuable to have 1-2 sessions where companies demo their support of the Hub in front of the audience.

Jon: Yes, I was thinking of something like that.

Coach: Regarding how to get people involved, I think current level of involvement is fairly normal. I agree that it is important to get the Hub released and do what we can to have maximum impact. Also, with security TF, a lot of companies are interested, but not able to put resources on the effort. Needs to touch a member company's own work. It is OK to have a small cluster of people do the initial work and then roll out on a more public basis.

Jon: One thing later in the agenda was the topic of Members in Good Standing. Two goals: (1) we need a mechanism to determine who gets to vote on things such as approving and advancing specs, and (2) this will help motivate companies in the WG to show up for the meetings

Coach: Great idea.

Kevin: Makes good sense to give incentive for good participation. But I don't like the other side - Member in Bad Standing

David: Can set it up so that you can vote only if you show up x of N of the time.

Kevin: That's right.

David: Can be just for voting. No such thing as Bad Standing.

Coach: Good idea.

David: Should we decide this or ask the other members?

MikeP: How does one define participation? Might not have attended all of the meetings but sent good contributions via email or wiki.

David: To me, participation can come via any mechanism. I am very fluid on this one.

Jon: W3C has specific rules that are fairly fluid, but not as fluid as what David has said. It's up to the chair, but you have to show up greater than half the time to meetings or send explicit regrets. There is a big advantage to using W3C rules as a precedent in terms of getting consensus and moving forward on this.

Coach: I suggest Jon send a proposal.

Jon: How about: (1) I send proposal to SC and we work it out (maybe 1 week), (2) We send proposal to members for comment (1 week), (3) SC votes (1 week).

All: Works for me.

Kevin: Another thing we can do to push for greater participation is to actively recruit and actively nag people. Maybe send a note to Jackbe about security.

Topic: OpenAjax Hub 1.0

Jon: Almost done. No open issues. I think I finished all of the remaining coding tasks on the plane yesterday, but haven't checked in yet. I also think I have done all remaining things in the test suite, but need to check again. Big thing is just editorial fixes on the spec, which I should be able to complete by end of June. At that point, the whole thing will be done. So, how best to address this?

David: (1) Go back to toolkits that did InteropFest and get them to integrate again, (2) Engage toolkits from other OpenAjax members, (3) Go to toolkits outside of OpenAjax, (4) Go out to various conferences and show value of it.

Jon: Yes. We need demos.

Kevin: I have proposed an interop session on the Hub to Ajax Experience and it was rejected. Have work to do to convince show management about our work. One thing about Ajax Experience. 80% focused on Prototype, Scriptaculous, JQuery and Dojo. Need to get them on board. And need to start to articulate to market the importance of conformance.

Jon: I have heard JQuery will support Hub. Of course Dojo will. I am pretty sure we can demo Prototype and Scriptaculous and other toolkits via small adapters even if they haven't gotten around to the Hub yet.

Kevin: DWR was at JavaOne with 500 people showing the Hub allowing it to talk with GI.

Jon: Kevin, let's get together next week so you can show me your demos.

Topic: Mobile Ajax and Apple iPhone

Jon: Ajit Joakar has an FAQ on Mobile Ajax. I was thinking that the Mobile TF and Marketing WG could collaborate on making the FAQ into a 5th white paper. Not the same format as existing white papers, but has the same flavor of helping to educating IT managers and web developers about an important topic area.

Kevin: Sounds great if he is willing to let us take his work.

Jon: Yes. Has been meaning to sending us his Members Agreement for quite a while.

Kevin: Apple has given Mobile Ajax a big boost with their announcements.

David/Kevin: Let's leverage Apple's PR. Ride coattails.

Jon: How? We could do blogs.

David: Yes, plus a press release and maybe a webinar.

Kevin: Could announce creation of Mobile Ajax Task Force. Maybe get Apple involved. Could have a press release on Apple joining. We got lots of press from MS joining.

Jon: Great idea. I'll follow up.

Kevin: Maybe sufficient for press release just talking about task force and referring to iPhone.

Topic: Status reports

Jon: Interop WG finally got started with Registry. One meeting on the topic and made good progress. Still a long way to go.

Kevin: IDE has its Creation Review phone call next week to become a WG. Slowly advancing on requirements. Fluctuations in attendance due to JavaOne, but a good call today. Send requests for draft technology proposals.

Coach: Comm Hub TF is close to finalizing the problem definition. 2 items on client, 1 on server, 1 on network, and a 5th on security and cross-site issues. Probably finalize the problem definition at next week's meeting. Two submitted proposals, from ICEsoft and Webtide. Both are simply and address part of the problem space but not all. Bayeux is an important companion effort outside of OpenAjax that is making great progress and will help us make progress. Attendance is 5-8 people regularly, which is good.

Jon: Security has kickoff meeting tomorrow. We have already talked about attendance. Big question for first meeting: what will we do?

David: Yes, decide on scope. Warning, this activity may move slowly before its work gets rolled out.

Jon: Mobile TF hasn't met yet, but we have a chair. Given the other discussion, I'll push to get moving right away.

Jon: Performance TF wants to get leaders in HTML runtime performance to get together to talk about dealing with Ajax. Still in recruitment phase. No meetings yet.

Topic: Next meeting

David: June 28 work?

  • Kevin: yes
  • David: yes
  • Scott: yes
  • Mike: yes
  • Coach: no

Jon: Coach, OK to meet without you? MikeM and Alex might be available.

Coach: Yes.

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