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Present

• Jon Gunderson (University of Illinois)
• Nicholas Hoyt (University of Illinois)
• Marc Johlic (IBM)
• Ann Abbott (IBM) - Scribe
• Mark Novak (TPG)

Minutes

• JG and updates from Nick?
• NH - submitted to Mozilla 16.0.2, we are 136 in the queue
• jgunder 0.16.2

NH, 0.16.2, sorry

• JG making changes to FAE 2.0, adding user config option for output display
• JG always looking for comments and idea..public version next week
• -->| marcjohlic (chatzilla@A18E2759.4CF8A43C.FA7AD68.IP) has joined #oaa-accessibility

discussion on length of time for add ins to get approved...

• JG have worked on for 2-3 years, esp the rule sets
• JG will be using both A Inspector and FAE on their campus
• JG gave an example how the two work together, how to hand FAE report off to A Inspector
• JG FAE and A Inspector use same javascript code
• JG may still be changes for 'on load' or other changing content
• NH they look and feel alike, so should help users
• JG third component, 'coding practices' , important for higher education and other places
• JG not yet flushed out..
• JG used example of a rotating carousel..
• AA any documentation on how FAE and AInspector are to be used together
• JG Nick working on a getting staeted document
• NH he and Jon giving a presentation to start things off next week
• JG by next week, should have links pointing at each other, if possible
• JG there can be many specific versions of FAE, per users needs..
• NH talked about how AInspector could work within FAE report
• JG other possibilities for inter-work in the future
• JG question, link related rules,
• jgunder http://fae20-dev.cita.illinois.edu/rule/ARIA_STRICT/LINK_1/
• JG - rule has some variance
• jgunder I will try calling back in with the moderator code
• marcjohlic If that doesn't work, we can use MY line... same number but different pc
• jgunder We are back on
• jgunder call back in 888-426-6840 Participant Code: 331 5177
• bac also please see link for details on rule
• JG - issues, one URL may have several different names,
• JG - different names to same URL, 'home or your organization'
• JG - currently would fail the rule - (FAE)
• JG - how best to handle. question to the group ?
• MJ - IBM tries to get folks to use same names to one URL
• MN - have seen but not sure where should fail
• NH - not sure where to put number with severity, scenarios?
• JG - had an actual example from campus this past week
• JG where they had 3 instances of 'slightly different names' to same URL
• JG - discussed the idea of how to fix
• MJ - do the links in a JAWS list go to the same page?, could be a question...
• JG - should we make the rules more stringent?
• AA - rejoined, thinks the rule should be a failure,
• marcjohlic G197: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140408/G197
• JG - other rules, landmarks rules, their restrictions , in HTML 5, role restrictions, per work that NH was doing
• AA - is HTML 5 set enough so we should write rules to it?
• JG - the ones we are looking at maybe we do..
• JG - thinks the rules are good guidance, HTML 5 is on a fast track,
• AA - FF and Chrome currently already use some HTML roles
• JG - we can track and make changes when it gets better supported
• JG - other option is to make 'recommended' until HTML 5 is adopted,
• JG - naming of the rule sets, could aria-strict be ? same for aria-transitional
• JG how to use as just a warning in HTML 4, older browsers.
• AA maybe add to definitions
• MJ likes the new names..
• MJ, can we think of any issues as to why not
• AA - no HTML 5 until released
• NH - does HTML 5 imply backward compatibility
• AA - people will slice and dice by the label...
• JG - let him and NH work on this next week
• JG - people need to understand the basic concepts, really help understand the results, need to know a bit about the rule sets
• JG - work this week, there was a missing rule on landmarks, banner, got added,
• JG - rule work upcoming work, WCAG related, flashing and things related
• AA - was flashing made an element?
• JG - to relook, plan is to keep as page level checks as possible
• JG - 'onChange' behavior, talked about last week...